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other RR extensions; what other point need high speed service
Topic Started: Nov 11 2008, 10:30 PM (334 Views)
buswizard	Nov 11 2008, 10:30 PM Post #1
The Journey Of A Thousand Miles Begins With The First Fare Payment Posts: 1,586 Group: Members Member #2,659 Joined: September 22, 2008	If there were special tracks that go anywhere you want that currently lack RR service, what places would they be? I think they oughta restore the West Chester & Newtown service, and add a New Hope line



Bus Guy 8202	Nov 11 2008, 10:41 PM Post #2
The 113-119 Spotter Posts: 1,141 Group: Members Member #2,623 Joined: June 11, 2008	buswizard Nov 11 2008, 10:30 PM If there were special tracks that go anywhere you want that currently lack RR service, what places would they be? I think they oughta restore the West Chester & Newtown service, and add a New Hope line SEPTA should restore Reading service with Bombardier APL-45DPs and Comet Vs.



redarrow5591	Nov 11 2008, 11:11 PM Post #3
Light Rail and Railroad Historian Posts: 921 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: April 23, 2005	buswizard Nov 11 2008, 10:30 PM If there were special tracks that go anywhere you want that currently lack RR service, what places would they be? I think they oughta restore the West Chester & Newtown service, and add a New Hope line Not Happening. With the FTA's new guidelines on spending, they will not pay for anything that might be considered a "extension", which is what the West Chester, New Hope, Quakertown/Allentown, and Pheonixville/Pottstown/Reading runs will be. And even still, out of those I have said, only the West Chester and Reading lines might just make it. The West Chester is looking like that will be paid with mostly private monies, and Montgomery and Berks Counties is taking over the Reading Corridor with operations being ran by either Norfolk Southern (the owners) or SEPTA. It would not surprise me if Montgomery County is looking at NJT and ALP45DP to run it (purchasing several) but is waiting to see about potential bugs and problems (see the PL42AC). Note of interest: The ALP45DP is supposed to be essentially a slightly oversized ALP46 with a pantograph and a pair of Gensets for off wire operations. Make no mistake, this beast is not to be confused with the EMD P32ACDM or the LIRR DMs as they operate off a 725VDC third rail and can be tapped directly to the traction motors and the HEP system. The ALP45 has to step down a catenary feed ranging from 12.5Kv 25Hz, 25Kv 25hz or 25Kv 60Hz, and this hasn't been done sucessfully.



Tritransit Area	Nov 11 2008, 11:41 PM Post #4
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,171 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	redarrow5591 Nov 11 2008, 11:11 PM buswizard Nov 11 2008, 10:30 PM If there were special tracks that go anywhere you want that currently lack RR service, what places would they be? I think they oughta restore the West Chester & Newtown service, and add a New Hope line Not Happening. With the FTA's new guidelines on spending, they will not pay for anything that might be considered a "extension", which is what the West Chester, New Hope, Quakertown/Allentown, and Pheonixville/Pottstown/Reading runs will be. And even still, out of those I have said, only the West Chester and Reading lines might just make it. The West Chester is looking like that will be paid with mostly private monies, and Montgomery and Berks Counties is taking over the Reading Corridor with operations being ran by either Norfolk Southern (the owners) or SEPTA. It would not surprise me if Montgomery County is looking at NJT and ALP45DP to run it (purchasing several) but is waiting to see about potential bugs and problems (see the PL42AC). Note of interest: The ALP45DP is supposed to be essentially a slightly oversized ALP46 with a pantograph and a pair of Gensets for off wire operations. Make no mistake, this beast is not to be confused with the EMD P32ACDM or the LIRR DMs as they operate off a 725VDC third rail and can be tapped directly to the traction motors and the HEP system. The ALP45 has to step down a catenary feed ranging from 12.5Kv 25Hz, 25Kv 25hz or 25Kv 60Hz, and this hasn't been done sucessfully. I would hope that the Quakertown/Shelly extension would make it to, considering it would also benefit freight service.



buswizard	Jun 29 2009, 04:09 PM Post #5
The Journey Of A Thousand Miles Begins With The First Fare Payment Posts: 1,586 Group: Members Member #2,659 Joined: September 22, 2008	Time to bump one of my oldest threads: unless they already got private service, they GOTTA make/restore RR service to Pottstown....I don't know why it went in the first place



bdub215	Jul 6 2009, 12:12 PM Post #6
MR.DD50 Posts: 148 Group: Members Member #2,689 Joined: March 31, 2009	my 2 cents: schuylkill valley metro, some form of rail serivce to KOP mall, reuse the old Reading Viaduct (maybe to get diesel service into downtown one day).



TheOneCalledA1	Jul 6 2009, 12:16 PM Post #7
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 790 Group: Members Member #223 Joined: January 1, 2007	The Reading Viaduct is completely unusable. Where it splits off from the current mainline, there is the new power substation. Also, it ends before getting to I-676. Plus, where are the trains going to go if you can somehow move the substation? "Reading Terminal" is now the Convention Center.



Tritransit Area	Jul 6 2009, 02:27 PM Post #8
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,171 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	I don't mind a train pulling into the Convention Center - yowza! :)



redarrow5591	Jul 6 2009, 02:48 PM Post #9
Light Rail and Railroad Historian Posts: 921 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: April 23, 2005	Here's two that could be done in our lifetimes but probably won't..... 1) R2 extension to Elkton MD. DelDOT has been wanting this for a while. Under the current AMTRAK rules, both SEPTA and MARC have to qualify to BACON interlocking, which is about a mile into Maryland from Delaware and about 17 miles from DAVIS and Newark (all commuter roads with services terminating on the NEC itself must qualify to the nearest full interlocking - DAVIS is on the eastern side of Newark Station). DelDOT wants to build a major park-and-ride for both Washington/Baltimore and Philadelphia/NYC bound commuters with separate layup facilities for both roads. MARC refuses because it does not benefit their riders enough. 2) Restoration of Parkesburg service. With Chester county blowing up the way it has, SEPTA's decision to cut the service to Downingtown was a VERY bad decision. Now any plans for that must wait until the Rule 562 Project is done.



TheOneCalledA1	Jul 6 2009, 04:27 PM Post #10
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 790 Group: Members Member #223 Joined: January 1, 2007	I'm waiting for additional Trenton service. R3 expansion (via NJT contract) from West Trenton to Trenton. or Express service from Trenton to points west via the NS Morrisville Line with a connection to the R3 near Woodbourne.



Van2006ko	Jul 6 2009, 04:39 PM Post #11
Foamer Posts: 2,480 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: February 16, 2005	redarrow5591 Jul 6 2009, 02:48 PM Here's two that could be done in our lifetimes but probably won't..... 1) R2 extension to Elkton MD. DelDOT has been wanting this for a while. Under the current AMTRAK rules, both SEPTA and MARC have to qualify to BACON interlocking, which is about a mile into Maryland from Delaware and about 17 miles from DAVIS and Newark (all commuter roads with services terminating on the NEC itself must qualify to the nearest full interlocking - DAVIS is on the eastern side of Newark Station). DelDOT wants to build a major park-and-ride for both Washington/Baltimore and Philadelphia/NYC bound commuters with separate layup facilities for both roads. MARC refuses because it does not benefit their riders enough. 2) Restoration of Parkesburg service. With Chester county blowing up the way it has, SEPTA's decision to cut the service to Downingtown was a VERY bad decision. Now any plans for that must wait until the Rule 562 Project is done. There's a better chance of restoring service to West Chester then to follow though with those plans. No body wants to expand their service apparently so we are stuck with the same boring depressing system. The so-called politicans in office aren't doing too many things to push expanded service, yes there's been a few incidents but thats just politcs. Would be happy if there was the route 100 to KOP. Edited by Van2006ko, Jul 6 2009, 04:40 PM.



Albu7253querque	Jul 6 2009, 04:47 PM Post #12
Soulja Boy look-alike Posts: 124 Group: Members Member #2,691 Joined: April 9, 2009	You can say that again!!!! Who wants to pay an arm and a leg for 3 fare zones on the 124-125 to KOP in unreliable heavy-traffic expressways? I would NEVER give my money just to sit in an inprisoning parking lot for 23457935982475693490385029 hours!



bdub215	Jul 6 2009, 10:40 PM Post #13
MR.DD50 Posts: 148 Group: Members Member #2,689 Joined: March 31, 2009	TheOneCalledA1 Jul 6 2009, 12:16 PM The Reading Viaduct is completely unusable. Where it splits off from the current mainline, there is the new power substation. Also, it ends before getting to I-676. Plus, where are the trains going to go if you can somehow move the substation? "Reading Terminal" is now the Convention Center. Ahem "If there were special tracks that go anywhere you want that currently lack RR service" dont rain on my parade please. I know that its unusable. but another question that pertains to it is a tunnel next to pennsylvania ave. anybody have any background on it? the one in question: http://www.phillyfuture.org/node/3378



TheOneCalledA1	Jul 7 2009, 12:14 AM Post #14
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 790 Group: Members Member #223 Joined: January 1, 2007	Now, the City Branch is an entirely different story! :p That would make an excellent addition to the city's transportation network... If only SEPTA could get access to the former B&O line along the river...



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