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Non opening windows for Baltimore MTA; No way.
Topic Started: Feb 8 2009, 08:14 AM (480 Views)
Nabi60SFW9620 Apr 19 2009, 07:55 PM Post #16
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 SEPTA can be more trusted with non opening windows. If someone did bust out a window because the AC wasnt on then the surveillance would show who did it and they would be able to track the person down and charge them with vandalism. Even make them pay for the damage they had done. Baltimore. The surveillance doesnt always work. Especially in incidents where a fight breaks out or someone gets severely beaten. So it can show that Baltimore MTA cannot be trusted with non opening windows. They tried to switch to them in the late 70s early 80s but with AC units being crap they just stuck with sliding windows from 82-06 and tip in starting in 09. Which some passengers dislike them but if the windows have to be open for air circulation then tip in windows will do the job just as good as sliding windows.
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Septa_kid Apr 22 2009, 11:31 PM Post #17
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 I wished that the Neoplan AN440's had Openable windows because 2 summers ago, they were heat machines
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Nabi60SFW9620 Apr 23 2009, 09:18 AM Post #18
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 Baltimores RTSs were heat machines since the AC wasnt a good quality AC and they were going to switch over to non opening windows after the RTSs but due to ACs not being powerful enough they decided to get all sliding windows on newer buses after that. Now they use tip in windows. The word that the next new 40fts were going to have non opening windows is not true to my knowledge. Apparently with the way the window latch on the tip ins as well as the springs are the same color as the window frames the latches were not easy to see. So someone who works the system thought the windows on the DE60LFRs did not open. But a photo to show that they open tip in style shown that the windows do infact open. I didnt believe anything stating that the windows on the DE60LFRs did not open. Since the non opening windows are just a solid piece of glass. As we know from looking at SEPTAs fleet. If I ran SEPTA buses from 98 and up would have tip in windows and 97 and older would be sliding windows. MTAs spokesperson was with someone in MTAs management when they even discussed the windows. They lightened the tint so its easier to see whats going on inside the bus from outside. If someone sees something the driver isnt aware about they can call in. Or if police officials see something happening they can pull the bus over and intervene. They also brought up the window openings. They actually tip in now instead of opening all the way. It keeps people from sticking, arms, legs, and heads out the window. And they even shown the window being opened and closed. So it sounds like newer buses will have tip in windows. MTA cannot be trusted with non opening windows.
Edited by Nabi60SFW9620, Apr 23 2009, 09:27 AM.
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Septa_kid Apr 23 2009, 12:02 PM Post #19
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Nabi60SFW9620
Apr 23 2009, 09:18 AM
They lightened the tint so its easier to see whats going on inside the bus from outside. If someone sees something the driver isnt aware about they can call in.
That sounds like a good Idea, but what I never understood since like... i first rode any bus is: what is the purpose of the tinted windows on buses? What do they have to hide in there :o
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Tritransit Area Apr 23 2009, 12:56 PM Post #20
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 Tinted windows reduce sun glare and keep the bus cooler.
Edited by Tritransit Area, Apr 23 2009, 12:57 PM.
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Nabi60SFW9620 Apr 23 2009, 01:36 PM Post #21
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 Tinted windows reduce sun glare and keep the inside cooler. The lightened tint makes it easier to catch anyone who breaks the law on the bus. Which will reduce crime on board. The rest of the fleet has tint dark enough its hard to see inside during the day. But the new buses. The tint is lighter and the windows are now tip in. It wouldnt surprise me if the current New Flyers were retrofitted with tip in windows in 2011.
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Nabi60SFW9620 Apr 27 2009, 08:50 AM Post #22
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 One SEPTA coach I wish had opening windows Saturday was 5270. The AC was not working and it was stuffy inside. Baltimore knowing the issues with grafitti and vandalism if they had non opening windows at least 1-2 per unairconditioned coach would be busted out. And they dont ever review surveillance videos after pulling the coach in. The only times they view the video is if a crime happens on the bus that police have to be involved in. And when that happens the surveillance doesnt always work. I dont know about SEPTAs assignments but Baltimore even in 100 degree weather or warmer they run at least 1-2 buses even more without a working AC unit. So windows have to be opened from front to back. Which is why they chose tip in instead of non opening on the new buses. They can never be trusted with non opening windows.
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Nabi60SFW9620 May 22 2009, 10:43 AM Post #23
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 As it turns out. Baltimore MTA really dislikes non opening windows. The New Flyer DE60LFRs they have signs stating. OPEN TOP WINDOW FOR VENTILATION. So passengers can know how to open the windows for ventilation who dont know how tip in windows work. So for now unless I see pics of new buses with a solid piece of glass as the windows all newer buses will have tip in windows.
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Nabi60SFW9620 Aug 5 2009, 07:41 AM Post #24
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 I dont know if this applies for the entire fleet or just the new Articulated buses. If the AC craps out while the bus is in service it has to be taken out of service for repair since air circulation is crap on the New Flyer DE60LFRs with the tip in windows. But my feeling is the only way MTA can be trusted with windows that dont open is if they adopt a zero tolerance policy about buses running in service with no A/C since its dangerous to run a bus with no air conditioning if the windows dont open. And MTA has been fined several times for their lack of safety. They waited until mid 2009 to establish a zero tolerance policy about operators using cell phones while operating a transit vehicle. I always thought an MTA accident injuring 50 people or more would hit national news before MTA beefed up more about cell phones. But with accidents that occured in other parts of the US. Metrolink, and the Boston Trolley on top of MTA always receiving complaints that operators are using cell phones while operating MTA vehicles they adopted a zero tolerance policy. Other TAs have had very strict policy for years about operators on cell phones while driving transit vehicles.
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Tritransit Area Aug 5 2009, 08:52 AM Post #25
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 How is air circulation worse on buses with the tip in windows? Back in the day, when Ride-On used to purchase buses with such windows, the circulation was marvelous! Much better than the difficult to slide open windows that WMATA used to have.

And New Flyers have even LARGER window openings? Oh well, just a mystery to be solved...
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Nabi60SFW9620 Aug 5 2009, 09:20 AM Post #26
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 It could be possible that the roof vents were not opened. Or it could be the temperature outside that has something to do with how good the circulation is. When I rode Rabbit Transits 308 on its first day in service on a spring day all tip in windows were open and circulation was perfect. For MTAs 8004 it was okay when the bus was in motion but when it wasnt in motion it was stuffy. And I heard the circulation wasnt good when the AC crapped out on 8027 as the result of a broken fan belt. And 8027 got switched out after a call was put in. Plus almost all vehicles do not have good air circulation when they are stopped with all windows open. Which is why I regularly use the AC when driving. Even buses with sliding windows dont have as good of circulation when stopped any time the AC isnt working on a hot summer day. But most TAs take buses out of service if the AC isnt working on a hot day.
Edited by Nabi60SFW9620, Aug 5 2009, 09:20 AM.
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