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| Topic Started: Apr 27 2009, 06:27 PM (329 Views) | |
| PhillyBadBoy09 | Apr 27 2009, 06:27 PM Post #1 |
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2 - split between allegheny & southern 3 - split between allegheny & frankford 5 - split between frankford & southern and possibly interlined with the 17 and/or 25 7 - split between allegheny & southern 18 - split between midvale & comly 25 - split between frankford & southern 26 - split between midvale or allegheny & frankford or all three 39 - split between allegheny & frankford and interlined with 89 54 - split between allegheny & frankford 56 - split between midvale & comly 64 - split between callowhill & southern 77 - split between comly & midvale 89 - split between allegheny & frankford G - split between callowhill & southern K - split between allegheny/midvale & frankford R - split between frankford/comly & allegheny/midvale I know that some of these has happen in the past but needs to be brought back it would cut down on a lot on deadheading these buses do. |
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| CACrafter88bk2504 | Apr 27 2009, 09:33 PM Post #2 |
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The 2 may be better suited as a candidate to go entirely to Southern. In PTC days, the 2 was a car line, & Southern had the whole route(until november 1956). Th 3 was split between Allegheny & Frankford. I don't know what happened with that. The 5 USED to be split between Frankford & Southern, as late as 2006. The 7 USED to be split between Allegheny & Southern. On Sundays & holidays, when the 7 was assigned to Allegheny, all trips originated & terminated @ 27th & Allegheny Avenue. The 18 USED to be split between Midvale & Frankford, until February 1998, when the 39 came over to Midvale from Allegheny. The 26 was an all Luzerne line during PTC days as a streetcar line. In January 1956, the 26 went bus & as time progressed, Germantown & Frankford depot picked up the work(used to be the S/26 combo to Fox Chase or Harbison Avenue). No one really wanted the 26 in those years & no one wants the 26 as of late. The 39 & 89 are fine as they are. I think the 54 should be split between Midvale & Allegheny, for until the early 1990s, the 54 was operated by Luzerne personnel(in part, if not entirely). The same may hold true for the 33. At this point, many veteran operators are shying away from the 56. The Torresdale Avenue segment of the line from the El to Cottman has seen better days. From Broad & Erie east to perhaps G & Erie(Coca Cola Plant), new rail was laid along with new concrete between 1989 to 1991.ot even a year later, we said bye bye to the PCCs on the 56. The G & 64 were split between Callowhill & Southern, until several years ago, with the elimination of the 63 & re- routing of the 64 onto Washington Avenue from end to end. Years ago, the K was split between Germantown & Frankford. In the early 1960s, Comly had the line & the K took a different routing, for it did not serve Germantown, as it does today. Th R, at one time, was indeed split between Frankford, Luzerne & Allegheny. As you stated, this is nothing new to you. I agree with your concepts. I would like to see many of them implemented, particularly with the G & 64. |
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| CVPI19 | Apr 28 2009, 12:37 AM Post #3 |
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Allegheny,and Midvale PTV Leader & Correspondent
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Well I think the R should be split with Allegheny once again to put artics on the route, the same goes for the 1 it should be split with Allegheny (with artics on the run), Callowhill, and Frankford. Now the 7 should be split with Midvale instead of Allegheny because they do not have enough 40 foot buses for that run and plus an artic will not suit the run either. What about spliting the 64 with Allegheny (to put artics on the route), Callowhill, Midvale and Southern? Now the K should be split with Frankford and Midvale instead of Allegheny the same goes for the J, the 9 split with Allegheny, Callowhill, Comly, Frankford, Midvale, and Southern, the 27 should be split with Allegheny, Callowhill, Comly, Frankford, Frontier, Midvale and Southern, same goes for the 32 it could be split with Allegheny, Callowhill, Comly, Frankford, Midvale and Southern. The 14 should be split with Allegheny, Comly, Frankford and Frontier with both Allegheny and Comly providing the Neoplan artics of course. The Route L should be split between Allegheny, Comly, Frankford, Frontier and Midvale, the 6 should be split with Allegheny and Midvale. Split the 18 with Allegheny and Midvale, split the 22 with Allegheny, Midvale and Frontier, and split the 55 with Allegheny, Midvale and Frontier. Edited by CVPI19, Apr 28 2009, 01:02 AM.
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| PhillyBadBoy09 | Apr 28 2009, 06:53 AM Post #4 |
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WHAT?!?!?!? All of that makes no sense we trying to think of ways to get deadheading down but instead it seems you want to create more for a routes cause you see artics on them. Every route doesn't need artics, just run them more frequently. The 7 can run artics on them but the problem is in south philly all you in is one person who don't know how to park and the whole line will be screw(23rd st.). 22nd is wide enough. But service on the 7 is funny and doesn't need a artic on a full run. I don't we will ever see a day when SEPTA will split a route with 5 or 6 depots. Maybe 3 for something long like the 1 or R. |
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| buswizard | Apr 28 2009, 11:20 AM Post #5 |
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^^^ My sister needs a copy
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Looks like someone beat be to starting a thread like this. The 1 SHOULD be part- Callowhill just for deadheading's sake. I'll post my total idea list later. I also plan to update my dream roster with it. |
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| buswizard | Apr 28 2009, 04:04 PM Post #6 |
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^^^ My sister needs a copy
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DO NOT QUOTE!!! Buses ONLY 1: Callowhill-Frankford 2: Midvale-Southern 3: Frankford 5: Frankford 6: Allegheny 7: Midvale-Southern 8: Frankford 9: Allegheny 12: Callowhill 14: Comly-Allegheny 17: Southern 18: Midvale-Allegheny 19: Frankford-Comly 20: Comly 21: Callowhill 22: Midvale 23: Midvale-Southern-Allegheny 24: Comly 25: Frankford-Southern 26: Frankford 27: Allegheny 28: Comly 29: Southern 30: Callowhill 31: Callowhill 32: Allegheny 33: Allegheny 35: Midvale 37: Southern 38: Callowhill 39: Midvale 40: Callowhill 42: Callowhill 43: Callowhill 44: Callowhill 46: Callowhill 47: Midvlae-Southern 48: Allegheny 50: Comly 52: Callowhill 53: Midvale 54: Allegheny 55: Midvale 56: Midvale-Comly 57: Midvale-Southern 58: Comly 59: Frankford 60: Allegheny 61: Allegheny 62: Allegheny 64: Callowhill-Southern 65: Allegheny-Callowhill 66: Frankford 67: Comly-Frankford 68: Southern 70: Comly 71: Southern 73: Frankford 75: Frankford 77: Frankford 79: Southern 80: Midvale-Allegheny 84: Comly 88: Comly 89: Frankford C: Midvale-Allegheny-Southern G: Southern-Callowhill HXH: Midvale J: Frankford K: Frankford-Midvale L: Midvale R: Allegheny 90-99: Frontier 103-120: Victory (108, 116 split Southern; 118 extended back to KOP and split with Frontier) 123: Victory-Frontier 124: Allegheny 125: Allegheny 127: Neshaminy* 128: Neshaminy* 129: Neshaminy* 130: Neshaminy* 131: Frontier 132: Replace and re-extend the 96 to Telford 134: Frontier 139: Frontier 150: Frontier-Neshaminy* 201: Frontier 204: Frontier 205: Frontier 206: Frontier 304: Neshaminy* 305: Southern 306: Victory-Frontier 310: Frontier 312: Neshaminy* 316: Callowhill No more private contractors. I think Germantown should be a storage base for backup buses in case of a shortage or emergency. -_- Edited by buswizard, Apr 28 2009, 04:06 PM.
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| Van2006ko | Apr 28 2009, 04:48 PM Post #7 |
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Not entirely sure why someone would quote it nor why someone bothered to waste time to type in every SEPTA route. |
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| CVPI19 | Apr 29 2009, 01:43 AM Post #8 |
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Maybe you are right about that. How about this instead? C - Allegheny-Midvale-Southern G - Callowhill-Southern-Victory J - Comly-Frankford-Midvale K - Comly-Frankford-Mivale L - Allegheny-Frontier-Midvale R - Allegheny-Frankford-Midvale 1 - Allegheny-Callowhill or Midvale-Frankford 3 - Comly-Frankford-Midvale 7 - Allegheny-Midvale-Southern 9 - Allegheny-Callowhill-Midvale or Southern instead of Callowhill 14 - Allegheny-Comly-Frankford 18 - Allegheny-Comly-Midvale 21/42 - Allegheny-Callowhill-Midvale or Southern 22 - Allegheny-Frontier-Midvale 26 - Comly-Frankford-Midvale 27 - Allegheny-Frontier-Midvale or Southern if not Frankford or Comly 32 - Allegheny-Midvale-Southern or Callowhill 37 -Callowhill-Southern-Victory 38 - Allegheny (even though I know it was once there)-Callowhill-Midvale if not Frankford or Comly 39 - Comly-Frankford-Midvale 43 - Allegheny-Callowhill-Midvale if not Frankford or Comly or Southern 48 -Allegheny-Callowhill-Southern 52 -Allegheny-Callowhill-Midvale 55 - Allegheny-Frontier-Midvale 64 - Allegheny-Callowhill-Southern or instead of Allegheny Midvale then 65 - Allegheny-Callowhill-Midvale 75 - Comly-Frankford-Midvale 77 - Comly-Frankford-Midvale 80 - Allegheny-Frontier-Midvale 124/125 - Allegheny-Callowhill-Frontier BSL- Night Owl Allegheny-Midvale-Southern Here are my own fictional routes that would be split 4 - Allegheny-Frontier 16 - Allegheny-Frontier-Midvale 41 - Comly-Midvale-Frankford 49 - Allegheny-Midvale-Southern 63 - Allegheny-Callowhill-Southern 69 - Allegheny-Midvale-Frontier 121 - Comly-Frankford-Midvale Edited by CVPI19, Apr 29 2009, 02:02 AM.
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| Rt 75 All Day | Oct 5 2009, 06:49 PM Post #9 |
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Only City Division w/ Exceptations of Routes 124/125 1-Comly,Frankford (100x) (215x) 54th & City/Wissahickon Transfer Center-Philadelphia Park Casino *Need To Become Artic 2-Midvale,Southern (345x) (710x) 20th & Johnston-Hunting Park & Pulaski 3-Frankford (220x) Frankford Terminal-33rd & Cecil B. Moore 5-Frankford (225x) Frankford Terminal-Front & Market 6-Allegheny (510x) Olney Terminal-Cheltenham & Ogontz 7-Midvale,Southern (375x) (720x) 33rd & Dauphin-Pier 70 Columbus & Blvd 8-Frankford,Allegheny (230x) (525x) Olney Terminal-Frankford Terminal *Need to Become Artic 9-Allegheny (500x) Ridge & Catherdal-4th & Walnut *Always Artic 10-Callowhill (905x) 63rd & Malvern-Juniper Hall 11-Elmwood (810x) Darby-Juniper Hall 12-Southern (725x) 3rd & Pine-50th & Woodland 13-Elmwood (815x) Juniper Hall-Yeadon/Darby 14-Comly (105x)-(110x) Frankford Terminal-Oxford Valley Mall/Neshimany Mall/Byberry East Industrial Park 15-Callowhill (900x) 63rd & Girard-Richmond & Westmoreland 17-Southern (730x) Penns Landing-20th & Johnston/Navy Yard/Broad & Pattison 18-Allegheny,Midvale (300x) (545x) Cedarbrook Mall-Rising Sun & Knorr/Fox Chase 19-Comly,Frankford (140x) (235x) Frankford Terminal-Krewston Station/Torresdale Station 20-Comly (145x) Frankford Terminal-Franklin Mills Mall *Need To Become Artic 21-Callowhill (910x) Penns Landing-69th Street Terminal 22-Midvale (320x) Olney Terminal-Willow Grv. Mall/Warminster 23-Midvale,Southern (310x) (705x) Broad & Oregon-Chestnut Hill 24-Comly (125x) Frankford Terminal- Bethayres Station/Southhampton 25-Frankford,Southern (217x) (770x) Columbus Commons/Front & Spring Garden-Frankford Terminal 26-Midvale,Frankford (306x) (265x) Frankford Terminal/Front & Olney-Rittenhouse & Pulaski *Need To Become Artic 27-Allegheny (505x) Barren Hill/Plymouth Mtg. Mall-Broad & Carpenter 28-Comly (130x) Fern Rock-Torresdale & Cottman 29-Southern (750x) 33rd & Dickinson-Pier 70 & Columbus Blvd 30-Callowhill (917x) 69th Street Terminal-30th Street Station 31-Callowhill (920x) City Hall-OverBrook Park 32-Midvale (315x) Ridge & Lyceum-Broad & Carpenter 33-Allegheny (515x) Penns Landing-23rd & Venango 34-Elmwood (820x) 61st & Baltimore & Jupiner Hall 35-Midvale (357x) Manayunk/Roxborough 36-Elmwood (825x) Eastwick-Jupiner Hall 37-Southern (735x) Chester/Philadelphia International Airport-Broad & Snyder 38-Callowhill (925x) Wissahickon Transfer Center-5th & Market 39-Midvale (395x) 33rd & Dauphin-Richmond & Cumberland 40-Callowhill (930x) Monument & Conshohocken-2nd & Lombard 42-Callowhill (910x) 61st & Pine/Wycombe-Penns Landing 43-Callowhill (940x) 49th & Parkside-Richmond & Cumberland 44-Callowhill (967x) Ardmore/Gladwyne-5th & Market 46-Callowhill (945x) 63rd & Malvern-58th & Baltimore 47-Midvale,Southern (330x) (790x) Whitman Plaza-5th & Godfrey 47m-Southern (799x) Whitman Plaza-7th & Spring Garden 48-Allegheny (540x) 27th& Allegheny-Front & Market 50-Comly (145x) Frankford Terminal-Philadelphia Park Casino *Need To Become Artic 52-Callowhill (950x) 54th & City/Gladwyne-50th & Woodland 53-Midvale (340x) Broad & Hunting Park-Wayne & Carpenter 54-Allegheny (550x) 33rd & Dauphin-Richmond & Cambria 55-Midvale (350x) Olney Terminal-Willow Grv. Mall/Doylestown 56-Midvale (360x) Torresdale & Cottman-23rd & Venango 57-Midvale,Southern (390x) (745x) Packer Marine Terminal/Whitman Plaza-Fern Rock/Rising Sun & Olney 58-Comly (135x) Frankford Terminal-Somerton Station/Neshimany Mall 59-Frankford (200x) Arrott Terminal-Bells Corner 60-Allegheny (530x) 35th & Allegheny-Richmond & Westmoreland 61-Midvale (370x) 8th & Market-Ridge & Summit/Flat Rock 62-Midvale (370x) 8th & Market-Andorra 64-Callowhill,Southern (740x) (955x) Pier 70 & Columbus Blvd-49th & Parkside Shared w/63 65-Allegheny,Callowhill (520x) (960x) 69th Street Terminal-Germantown & Chelten Always Artic When From Allegheny District 66-Frankford (205x) Frankford Terminal-Frankford & Gregg/Frankford & City Line (Morrell Park) 67-Comly,Frankford (140x) (235x) Frankford Terminal-COMCAST/Franklin Mills Mall 68-Southern (785x) Broad & Oregon-UPS Center 70-Comly (120x) Fern Rock-Frankford & Gregg/Torresdale & Cottman 71-Southern (795x) Pattison Station-Navy Yard 73-Frankford (245x) Richmond & Westmoreland-Frankford Terminal 75-Frankford (210x) Wayne Jct-Arrott Terminal 77-Midvale,Comly (367x) (160x) Chestnut Hill/Jekintown Station-St. Vicent & Roosevelt Blvd 79-Southern (760x) 29th & Snyder-Dilworth & Columbus Blvd 80-Midvale (365x) Olney Terminal-Horsham 84-Comly (150x) Frankford Terminal-Franklin Mills Mall/Somerton Station 88-Comly,Frankford (155x) (250x) Frankford Terminal- Crispin & Holme/Holy Reemder Hospital/Bethayres Station 89-Midvale,Frankford (342x) (240x) Front & Dauphin-Arrott Terminal 124-Allegheny,Callowhill (560x) (970x) 13th & Market-King Of Prussia Mall/ChesterBrook 125-Allegheny,Callowhill (560x) (970x) 13th & Market-King Of Prussia Mall/Valley Forge C-Midvale,Southern (380x) (755x) Cheltenham & Ogontz/11th & Nedro-City Hall/Broad & Geary *Need To Become Artic G-Callowhill,Southern (765x) (935x) Food Center/Columbus Commons-OverBrook Station/Lankenau Hospital H-Midvale (325x) Cheltenham & Ogontz-Broad & Erie J-Frankford (255x) Richmond & Orthodox-Chelten & Wissahickon K-Frankford (260x) Ridge & Midvale-Arrott Terminal L-Midvale (335x) Olney Terminal-Plymouth Mtg. Mall/Erdenheim R-Comly,Frankford (165x) (270x) Frankford Terminal-Wissahickon Transfer Center/Henry & Midvale *Need To Become Artic XH-Midvale (325x) Cheltenham & Ogontz-Broad & Erie My Routes 4-Allegheny (535x) Rising Sun & Knorr-33rd & Cecil B. Moore 63-Callowhill,Southern (740x) (955x) Columbus Commons-61st & Pine Shared w/64 Edited by Rt 75 All Day, Oct 5 2009, 07:06 PM.
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