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PATCO Expansion
Topic Started: May 12 2009, 12:15 PM (223 Views)
rider65	May 12 2009, 12:15 PM Post #1
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 446 Group: Members Member #52 Joined: November 15, 2005	PATCO expansion to be announced today Inquirer staff writer Paul Nussbaum reports: Gov. Corzine is expected to announce today the selection of a route for PATCO commuter rail expansion into Gloucester County. A state panel has recommended the best route would be from Camden to Glassboro along an existing freight rail corridor. That route would do the most to reduce congestion, serve existing communities, and limit suburban sprawl. The route would serve Glassboro, Pitman, Mantua, Wenonah, Woodbury, Deptford, West Deptford, Westville, Bellmawr, Brooklawn and Gloucester City.



Jayayess1190	May 12 2009, 07:54 PM Post #2
Foamer Posts: 1,095 Group: Members Member #42 Joined: September 2, 2005	http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20090512_NJ_officials_announce_PATCO_expansion.html http://www.kyw1060.com/New-Light-Rail-Line-Will-Link-Glassboro--Camden/4382250 Quote: NJ officials announce PATCO expansion By Paul Nussbaum INQUIRER STAFF WRITER New commuter rail service to link Gloucester County and much of South Jersey to Philadelphia is the centerpiece of a $2 billion mass transportation plan for the region outlined today by Gov. Corzine and transit officials. Breathing new life into a long-discussed plan to restore rail service from Camden to Glassboro, Corzine promised "whatever it takes, we're going to get this done." The mass transit plan also calls for express bus lanes on highly congested Routes 42 and 55 and improved rail service on NJTransit's under-used Atlantic City line, with a passenger stop at PATCO's Woodcrest station in Cherry Hill. Posted Image Edited by Jayayess1190, May 12 2009, 07:56 PM.



ctrabs74	May 12 2009, 08:48 PM Post #3
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 716 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: February 20, 2005	I wonder if that means a proposed Woodcrest Station would replace Lindenwold on the ACRL. I don't know the demographics of the ACRL, but I wonder how much of the traffic at Lindenwold station are PATCO transfers and how many are local (ie. either Lindenwold area residents or connecting from the NJT bus routes).



Septa_kid	May 12 2009, 09:04 PM Post #4
flxie!!!! Posts: 2,048 Group: Members Member #2,467 Joined: March 31, 2008	Ewwww Diesel trains? PATCO should consider starting a bus line instead. It's way cheaper and better and sometimes more convient.... then again... that would interfere with NJT. This gives me alot to think about



Bus Guy 8202	May 12 2009, 09:18 PM Post #5
The 113-119 Spotter Posts: 1,222 Group: Members Member #2,623 Joined: June 11, 2008	Jayayess1190 May 12 2009, 07:54 PM http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20090512_NJ_officials_announce_PATCO_expansion.html http://www.kyw1060.com/New-Light-Rail-Line-Will-Link-Glassboro--Camden/4382250 Quote: NJ officials announce PATCO expansion By Paul Nussbaum INQUIRER STAFF WRITER New commuter rail service to link Gloucester County and much of South Jersey to Philadelphia is the centerpiece of a $2 billion mass transportation plan for the region outlined today by Gov. Corzine and transit officials. Breathing new life into a long-discussed plan to restore rail service from Camden to Glassboro, Corzine promised "whatever it takes, we're going to get this done." The mass transit plan also calls for express bus lanes on highly congested Routes 42 and 55 and improved rail service on NJTransit's under-used Atlantic City line, with a passenger stop at PATCO's Woodcrest station in Cherry Hill. Posted Image So.......this going to be tied into the riverline or patco center-city line?



ctrabs74	May 12 2009, 10:09 PM Post #6
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 716 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: February 20, 2005	Bus Guy May 12 2009, 09:18 PM So.......this going to be tied into the riverline or patco center-city line? More than likely the RiverLine. The map shows service towards the Delaware River and the line is proposed to be a diesel LRV line. Now, whether the service is going to be operated by NJT or by DRPA remains to be seen. I'd guess that NJT will probably operate the new service with DRPA providing logistical and/or financial support during the construction phase.



Tritransit Area	May 13 2009, 12:03 PM Post #7
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,256 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	Septa_kid May 12 2009, 09:04 PM Ewwww Diesel trains? PATCO should consider starting a bus line instead. It's way cheaper and better and sometimes more convient.... then again... that would interfere with NJT. This gives me alot to think about There are bus lines.................. And buses wouldn't produce the ridership this line may produce. People like trains - they tend to go faster. Buses just get stuck in traffic...



Nabi60SFW9620	May 13 2009, 02:42 PM Post #8
Foamer Posts: 2,155 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	Brandon is right. Theres no point establishing buses since they will get stuck in traffic. So Light Rail is a better way to go. Even though its diesel powered. Plus rail cars last alot longer then buses. It would in a way be good for PATCO to establish bus service. Since there are times service can be disrupted unexpectedly and if they ran bus service as well they can send buses out in the event of a shut down rather then depend on SEPTA and NJT for shuttles which can only happen if a shut down is scheduled. Edited by Nabi60SFW9620, May 13 2009, 02:45 PM.



Tritransit Area	May 20 2009, 09:19 PM Post #9
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,256 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	Nabi60SFW9620 May 13 2009, 02:42 PM Since there are times service can be disrupted unexpectedly and if they ran bus service as well they can send buses out in the event of a shut down rather then depend on SEPTA and NJT for shuttles which can only happen if a shut down is scheduled. Interestingly enough, with the last shut down of service, which was unexpected since there was a gas leak in the Camden tunnel and they didn't want one of the trains to arc, PATCO managed to get about 22 NJT buses for the shuttle service. In fact, when the shutdowns were planned, PATCO didn't have a bus shuttle in place. While in theory it would be nice to have PATCO buses on hand, it would be costly to maintain them to only be used every once in a while. It would be more cost effective to contract with an agency (namely NJT) to provide buses in case of a shut down. I guess that's the agreement with NJT (not so much SEPTA, I imagine).



ctrabs74	May 24 2009, 09:00 PM Post #10
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 716 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: February 20, 2005	Nabi60SFW9620 May 13 2009, 02:42 PM It would in a way be good for PATCO to establish bus service. Since there are times service can be disrupted unexpectedly and if they ran bus service as well they can send buses out in the event of a shut down rather then depend on SEPTA and NJT for shuttles which can only happen if a shut down is scheduled. What would the point be of PATCO establishing itself as a bus operator when you know that NJT will never let that happen?



Mark	May 25 2009, 09:41 AM Post #11
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 439 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: February 18, 2005	ctrabs74 May 24 2009, 09:00 PM Nabi60SFW9620 May 13 2009, 02:42 PM It would in a way be good for PATCO to establish bus service. Since there are times service can be disrupted unexpectedly and if they ran bus service as well they can send buses out in the event of a shut down rather then depend on SEPTA and NJT for shuttles which can only happen if a shut down is scheduled. What would the point be of PATCO establishing itself as a bus operator when you know that NJT will never let that happen? It would be in their best interest if PATCO estasblished bus operations [DRPA owns the buses-Contractors operates them], because NJT does such a sh :-/ tty job servicing the outlying stations. There are huge areas in the SJ region with little or no transit, plus in order to get to these areas one must make a trip into the GHETTO HELLHOLE that is Camden to transfer at the WRTC [where you get to see gthe "Human Misery Show" on a daily basis]. If I was planning a PATCO bus feeder system, I would make sure the buses are routed in such a way to serve many traffic generators [like Malls, Corporate Parks, Hospitals, Colleges], and serve them in a frequent manner [20-30 min peak headways, 60 min off peak, plus service hours from 6am to midnight weekdays, 7am to 10 pm weekends and holidays, with easy to remember departure times from each station]. It really wouldn't take too many routes and buses to build an effective feeder operation. Maybe about 10 0r 12 routes and about 60 to 75 buses would do the trick. If NJT would want to do the feeder work then they will have to do it on PATCO's standards, not the low standards NJT uses. Edited by Mark, May 25 2009, 09:42 AM.



Tritransit Area	May 25 2009, 10:29 AM Post #12
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,256 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	Wow, Mark...your idea seems like a logical transit system. If NJT had a compatible fare structure with PATCO, it would work. Or better yet, the PATCO system sounds like a system that runs in the DC Area... Better yet, it would be great if the municipalities along the line did something like this. Sadly, your views could have been discovered in a Southern NJ transit study. It would be better than all of these marathon bus lines that NJT continues to operate.



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