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Some interesting SEPTA bus questions; Things to make you go hmm...............
Topic Started: Jul 2 2009, 08:48 PM (289 Views)
Mark	Jul 2 2009, 08:48 PM Post #1
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 436 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: February 18, 2005	Some questions about the the SEPTA fleet to ponder............. 1] Why are the destination signs on the NABI's do not have "Tri-State Mall" and the 115 extension to the Airport programmed? The NABI's either go blank or in the case of the 113, it says "Marcus Hook". One NABI had a "Chester via Darby" on its destination as the bus arrived at Tri-State Mall this afternoon. 2] Why is "Tri-State Mall" misspelled on the side destination signs on the Flyers? 3] Why is there a FLIP-DOT sign on the rear of 5601H instead of a LED sign? 4] Why do the automated announcement still mention the 12 at 23rd and Chestnut? The 12 hasn't ran by that intersection in the last decade. 5] I noticed that some BSS cars has the announcement systems and the OLD door chimes. Why doesn't SEPTA get rid of the Asian-sounding "Doors Closing" announcement, and restore the old door chimes [BTW, how about adding those chimes to the MFSE?].



Van2006ko	Jul 2 2009, 09:12 PM Post #2
Foamer Posts: 2,528 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: February 16, 2005	Mark Jul 2 2009, 08:48 PM Some questions about the the SEPTA fleet to ponder............. 1] Why are the destination signs on the NABI's do not have "Tri-State Mall" and the 115 extension to the Airport programmed? The NABI's either go blank or in the case of the 113, it says "Marcus Hook". One NABI had a "Chester via Darby" on its destination as the bus arrived at Tri-State Mall this afternoon. 2] Why is "Tri-State Mall" misspelled on the side destination signs on the Flyers? 3] Why is there a FLIP-DOT sign on the rear of 5601H instead of a LED sign? 4] Why do the automated announcement still mention the 12 at 23rd and Chestnut? The 12 hasn't ran by that intersection in the last decade. 5] I noticed that some BSS cars has the announcement systems and the OLD door chimes. Why doesn't SEPTA get rid of the Asian-sounding "Doors Closing" announcement, and restore the old door chimes [BTW, how about adding those chimes to the MFSE?]. Well to answer #1 and #2 it appears SEPTA has a few lazy programmers doing the reprogramming of the designation signs. I can understand about now getting the voice announcements programmed in, but the lazy programming of the designations needs to be fixed. I also noticed that the new 115 isn't programmed into the controller either, I guess SEPTA doesn't want to deal with the aged buses of the fleet.



TRANSIT_FREAK	Jul 2 2009, 11:42 PM Post #3
Simpsonized! Posts: 2,647 Group: Members Member #865 Joined: August 2, 2007	Mark Jul 2 2009, 08:48 PM question about the the SEPTA fleet to ponder............. 3] Why is there a FLIP-DOT sign on the rear of 5601H instead of a LED sign? Could this be the back sign that was used on the 35ft neos back in the day? I wouldn't be surprised if SEPTA downgraded.



Septa_kid	Jul 3 2009, 02:17 AM Post #4
flxie!!!! Posts: 2,040 Group: Members Member #2,467 Joined: March 31, 2008	TRANSIT_FREAK Jul 2 2009, 11:42 PM Mark Jul 2 2009, 08:48 PM question about the the SEPTA fleet to ponder............. 3] Why is there a FLIP-DOT sign on the rear of 5601H instead of a LED sign? Could this be the back sign that was used on the 35ft neos back in the day? I wouldn't be surprised if SEPTA downgraded. looks like we might have another oddball ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)



ctrabs74	Jul 4 2009, 08:06 AM Post #5
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 710 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: February 20, 2005	TRANSIT_FREAK Jul 2 2009, 11:42 PM Mark Jul 2 2009, 08:48 PM question about the the SEPTA fleet to ponder............. 3] Why is there a FLIP-DOT sign on the rear of 5601H instead of a LED sign? Could this be the back sign that was used on the 35ft neos back in the day? I wouldn't be surprised if SEPTA downgraded. The rear signs of the Neoplan buses (3122-3131) were Luminator MAX (not sure of the exact name offhand); the rear sign of 5601H would probably be the TwinVision LEDot.



Van2006ko	Jul 4 2009, 08:12 AM Post #6
Foamer Posts: 2,528 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: February 16, 2005	The rear sign of 5601H is indeed a LeDot, and more likely the LED sign on 5601H burned out or had some kind of complication. I thought this was pretty self explanatory!!!!!!!!!!! Well when i saw it the sign wasn't working properly anyways so blah who cares!



septafan	Jul 4 2009, 01:36 PM Post #7
Bus Driver and transit fan at Southern Depot Posts: 99 Group: Members Member #97 Joined: August 6, 2006	5601 has a flip dot because the old one burned out and the only thing from the neos u will still see is the rear plates i learn from the blocker that the neos are still on file and septa reuse the plates so if u see a new hybrid with a banged up plate its from a old neo or nabi and also 8042 is gone from fire but the plate is still listed on file thats why the bus number show up in the bus manifest and with all the buses being swithed around most a -cards dont have certain routes programed like some of are nabis at southern still dont have columbus common programed so we just keep lank hospital up or brook sta oh and some flyers we got still call the 64 out at federal and at ellsworth Edited by septafan, Jul 4 2009, 01:37 PM.



Van2006ko	Jul 4 2009, 01:39 PM Post #8
Foamer Posts: 2,528 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: February 16, 2005	I think you ment 8046, not 8042. 8046 was in a very serious fire late last year.



septafan	Jul 4 2009, 02:02 PM Post #9
Bus Driver and transit fan at Southern Depot Posts: 99 Group: Members Member #97 Joined: August 6, 2006	yes 8046 u are correct sorry about the mistake



buswizard	Jul 5 2009, 11:23 AM Post #10
^^^ My sister needs a copy Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #2,659 Joined: September 22, 2008	I guess the issue with 5601 is the same thing that messed up the block display on 7101. so they mst've switch'd things up.



Tritransit Area	Jul 5 2009, 12:09 PM Post #11
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,243 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	ctrabs74 Jul 4 2009, 08:06 AM TRANSIT_FREAK Jul 2 2009, 11:42 PM Mark Jul 2 2009, 08:48 PM question about the the SEPTA fleet to ponder............. 3] Why is there a FLIP-DOT sign on the rear of 5601H instead of a LED sign? Could this be the back sign that was used on the 35ft neos back in the day? I wouldn't be surprised if SEPTA downgraded. The rear signs of the Neoplan buses (3122-3131) were Luminator MAX (not sure of the exact name offhand); the rear sign of 5601H would probably be the TwinVision LEDot. Additionally, the 35ft Neos never had rear signs....



Tritransit Area	Jul 5 2009, 12:10 PM Post #12
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,243 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	septafan Jul 4 2009, 01:36 PM 5601 has a flip dot because the old one burned out and the only thing from the neos u will still see is the rear plates i learn from the blocker that the neos are still on file and septa reuse the plates so if u see a new hybrid with a banged up plate its from a old neo or nabi and also 8042 is gone from fire but the plate is still listed on file thats why the bus number show up in the bus manifest and with all the buses being swithed around most a -cards dont have certain routes programed like some of are nabis at southern still dont have columbus common programed so we just keep lank hospital up or brook sta oh and some flyers we got still call the 64 out at federal and at ellsworth is that legal?



Tritransit Area	Jul 5 2009, 12:11 PM Post #13
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,243 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	Van2006ko Jul 4 2009, 08:12 AM The rear sign of 5601H is indeed a LeDot, and more likely the LED sign on 5601H burned out or had some kind of complication. I thought this was pretty self explanatory!!!!!!!!!!! Well when i saw it the sign wasn't working properly anyways so blah who cares! Sign still doesn't work - at least, not when I saw it last month. I just wonder WHERE that sign came from. If from TwinVision, why a flip LEDot rather that an LED sign. Ah well.



Tritransit Area	Jul 5 2009, 12:15 PM Post #14
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,243 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	Mark Jul 2 2009, 08:48 PM Some questions about the the SEPTA fleet to ponder............. 1] Why are the destination signs on the NABI's do not have "Tri-State Mall" and the 115 extension to the Airport programmed? The NABI's either go blank or in the case of the 113, it says "Marcus Hook". One NABI had a "Chester via Darby" on its destination as the bus arrived at Tri-State Mall this afternoon. 2] Why is "Tri-State Mall" misspelled on the side destination signs on the Flyers? 3] Why is there a FLIP-DOT sign on the rear of 5601H instead of a LED sign? 4] Why do the automated announcement still mention the 12 at 23rd and Chestnut? The 12 hasn't ran by that intersection in the last decade. 5] I noticed that some BSS cars has the announcement systems and the OLD door chimes. Why doesn't SEPTA get rid of the Asian-sounding "Doors Closing" announcement, and restore the old door chimes [BTW, how about adding those chimes to the MFSE?]. 4] It seems like SEPTA just doesn't update announcements...at least for Midvale and perhaps Callowhill. After all, L buses (of all vintages) still announce at Plymouth Meeting Mall connections to route 27, 95, 97, and 98. So much for the 90 and 150, not to mention that the 97 stopped running to the mall 10 years ago! 5] We are in the 21st Century now, so now it's the "thing" to do - have people announce doors closing. Now, i find it VERY interesting that the BSS car has both the new announcements and the old chime (yay!). Do you know any of the numbers so I can look out for them?



Van2006ko	Jul 6 2009, 04:25 PM Post #15
Foamer Posts: 2,528 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: February 16, 2005	Tritransit Area Jul 5 2009, 12:11 PM Van2006ko Jul 4 2009, 08:12 AM The rear sign of 5601H is indeed a LeDot, and more likely the LED sign on 5601H burned out or had some kind of complication. I thought this was pretty self explanatory!!!!!!!!!!! Well when i saw it the sign wasn't working properly anyways so blah who cares! Sign still doesn't work - at least, not when I saw it last month. I just wonder WHERE that sign came from. If from TwinVision, why a flip LEDot rather that an LED sign. Ah well. More likely in stock or pulled off of an Eldorado block sign. Well like I said the sign doesnt display right anyways so its pretty useless.



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