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So many Atlantic City Line upgrades!; new stops, double track, etc
Topic Started: Jul 27 2009, 08:14 AM (253 Views)
Tritransit Area	Jul 27 2009, 08:14 AM Post #1
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,243 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	Just found out that the ACL is going to be double tracked between Lindenwold and the new Atlantic City Airport stop so that more trains can be added to the line. This already adds to the new airport, Woodcrest, and Pennsauken stops! This line will surely work out well. As was mentioned on rr.net, I also wish those trains would stop in North Philadelphia. The trains run right by there anyway. Plus, you'd have Temple Students that would want to go to shore, and workers that may live in Southern Jersey, as well as workers that may need easy access to Pennsauken and Atlantic City jobs! All you would essentially need are TVMs and SEPTA (and Amtrak's) permission, right? Here's a link to an article: http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/top_three/article_2ba9b4f8-4030-11de-bb18-001cc4c03286.html



Nabi60SFW9620	Jul 27 2009, 09:56 AM Post #2
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	I wonder if NJT will have to run shuttle buses for that double track project. It would be good if the entire Atlantic City line was double tracked since that will reduce delays as well as reduce having a shuttle bus in the event a train malfunctions since if a train malfunctions on a single track shuttle buses have to operate service where the train is disabled. So that will be reduced once the tracks are doubled.



redarrow5591	Jul 27 2009, 10:54 AM Post #3
Light Rail and Railroad Historian Posts: 939 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: April 23, 2005	Nabi60SFW9620 Jul 27 2009, 09:56 AM I wonder if NJT will have to run shuttle buses for that double track project. It would be good if the entire Atlantic City line was double tracked since that will reduce delays as well as reduce having a shuttle bus in the event a train malfunctions since if a train malfunctions on a single track shuttle buses have to operate service where the train is disabled. So that will be reduced once the tracks are doubled. The line shares its ROW with the DRPA/PATCO from Lindenwold to Hammonton, and in order to add a second track in that stretch, not only requires the Hammonton cut to be widened, but additional land to be bought to accomodate the track. I'm not even going to get started with the DelAir and all its problems. Bran do have a good idea with proposing the North Philadelphia stop, but I cannot see NJT installing TVM's someplace that AMTRAK barely maintains itself.



Nabi60SFW9620	Jul 27 2009, 11:29 AM Post #4
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	I think when I was over at Lindemwold and it looked to appear a second track can be added at Lindenwold station across from the platform. Hammonton. I havent been to so I dont know what all would have to be done. But most double track projects involve cutting down trees and clearing up the land. And areas where there is no available land have to be kept a single track. Baltimore MTA did a double track project with the Light Rail. Some parts had to be left single tracked due to lack of land. Like the section between BWI and BWI Business park. And also the section from Gilroy Rd to Hunt Valley station. So those 2 sections had to be left as single tracks. Same will probably occur with the Atlantic City line.



redarrow5591	Jul 27 2009, 04:07 PM Post #5
Light Rail and Railroad Historian Posts: 939 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: April 23, 2005	Lindenwold Station is attached directly to the PATCO viaduct; add in NJT Rail's hard-on for high level platforms........ not happening without MAJOR reconstruction. Add in the fact that most of the municipalities along both the PATCO and NJT ROWs are not transit friendly and won't go for adding a second track without getting too closely to their homes. This isn't Baltimore, this is New Jersey, the most ass backwards state in the union. And how can you not notice Hammonton in that huge CUT!!! Edited by redarrow5591, Jul 27 2009, 04:12 PM.



ctrabs74	Jul 27 2009, 05:31 PM Post #6
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 710 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: February 20, 2005	redarrow5591 Jul 27 2009, 10:54 AM The line shares its ROW with the DRPA/PATCO from Lindenwold to Hammonton, and in order to add a second track in that stretch, not only requires the Hammonton cut to be widened, but additional land to be bought to accomodate the track. I'm not even going to get started with the DelAir and all its problems. You meant Haddonfield, right? Anyway, the Press of AC article provides more details than some of the other articles I had seen re: the River Line South/ACRL/BRT package put forth by the state. I am looking forward to seeing the ACRL project when it's complete as I often take the ACRL down to AC then connect with the 552 at the rail terminal, so when the line is finally double tracked, it will certainly be a more reliable service to say the least. I do not see why a new station on the ACRL should be built at Woodcrest when Lindenwold is two stops away, though. Edited by ctrabs74, Jul 27 2009, 05:38 PM.



septa105R5	Jul 27 2009, 08:59 PM Post #7
Super Transit Expert from Wayne (Main Line) to King of Prussia Posts: 385 Group: Members Member #304 Joined: February 8, 2007	There's also one more thing in the future too. Don't forget about the ALP-45DP that will be arriving in 2012 or so. It will be a great advantage for this line including using both diesel power in ACL line while using electric power (with the pantograph) in Northeast Corridor.



redarrow5591	Jul 27 2009, 10:11 PM Post #8
Light Rail and Railroad Historian Posts: 939 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: April 23, 2005	septa105R5 Jul 27 2009, 08:59 PM There's also one more thing in the future too. Don't forget about the ALP-45DP that will be arriving in 2012 or so. It will be a great advantage for this line including using both diesel power in ACL line while using electric power (with the pantograph) in Northeast Corridor. The ALP45DP will be used predominately on direct Bay Head-NYC on the North Jersey Coast, direct High Bridge/Raritan EXP to NYC on the Raritan Valley and most MidTOWN Direct service, notably Hackettstown to NYC via Montclair State University/Summit. The only lines that isn't expected to see the 'DP's are the Atlantic City, Northeast Corridor, Pascack Valley, Main-Bergen, and the Southern Tier (Port Jervis).



Nabi60SFW9620	Jul 28 2009, 06:32 AM Post #9
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	The Lindenwold station ACL platform is in the same building as the PATCO platform. You exit out from the PATCO station and theres a walkway under the station and at the other end is the platform for the Lindenwold ACL station. I once rode the PATCO out to Lindenwold and the ACL back to Philadelphia.



Tritransit Area	Jul 28 2009, 09:27 AM Post #10
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,243 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	redarrow5591 Jul 27 2009, 10:11 PM septa105R5 Jul 27 2009, 08:59 PM There's also one more thing in the future too. Don't forget about the ALP-45DP that will be arriving in 2012 or so. It will be a great advantage for this line including using both diesel power in ACL line while using electric power (with the pantograph) in Northeast Corridor. The ALP45DP will be used predominately on direct Bay Head-NYC on the North Jersey Coast, direct High Bridge/Raritan EXP to NYC on the Raritan Valley and most MidTOWN Direct service, notably Hackettstown to NYC via Montclair State University/Summit. The only lines that isn't expected to see the 'DP's are the Atlantic City, Northeast Corridor, Pascack Valley, Main-Bergen, and the Southern Tier (Port Jervis). Yeah, there really much purpose/need for the ACL to have dual modes. The most it would run in "electric" mode would actually be on the deadheads, and I presume going to "electric" while in service would be an unneccesary waste of time.



Tritransit Area	Jul 28 2009, 09:40 AM Post #11
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,243 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	ctrabs74 Jul 27 2009, 05:31 PM redarrow5591 Jul 27 2009, 10:54 AM The line shares its ROW with the DRPA/PATCO from Lindenwold to Hammonton, and in order to add a second track in that stretch, not only requires the Hammonton cut to be widened, but additional land to be bought to accomodate the track. I'm not even going to get started with the DelAir and all its problems. You meant Haddonfield, right? Anyway, the Press of AC article provides more details than some of the other articles I had seen re: the River Line South/ACRL/BRT package put forth by the state. I am looking forward to seeing the ACRL project when it's complete as I often take the ACRL down to AC then connect with the 552 at the rail terminal, so when the line is finally double tracked, it will certainly be a more reliable service to say the least. I do not see why a new station on the ACRL should be built at Woodcrest when Lindenwold is two stops away, though. Yes, it's Haddonfield. Hammonton is further down the line! Posted Image The 552...that didn't always go to the rail terminal, did it? All I remember were those NJT shuttles that went wherever they went. If I remember correctly, there is/was a Jitney route that went to the train station/bus terminal.



Nabi60SFW9620	Jul 28 2009, 09:58 AM Post #12
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	Looks like Haddonfield will not get a double track due to lack of available land. Unless they have land nearby for a second track even if its away from the original track. But most likely Haddonfield may remain a single track. Lindenwold can receive a double track since there is extra land at Lindenwold.



Nabi60SFW9620	Jul 28 2009, 10:01 AM Post #13
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NJ_Transit_EMD_GP40PH-2B_4219.jpg From this pic it looks as that the only other modification would be to rebuild the bridge over the tracks. Which wont be too much of an issue. Since double tracks can involve road closures to build an extra track where the tracks cross the streets.



ctrabs74	Jul 28 2009, 05:21 PM Post #14
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 710 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: February 20, 2005	Tritransit Area Jul 28 2009, 09:40 AM The 552...that didn't always go to the rail terminal, did it? All I remember were those NJT shuttles that went wherever they went. If I remember correctly, there is/was a Jitney route that went to the train station/bus terminal. The extension of the 552 to the train station is relatively new (at least within the past 3-4 years; I don't know exactly when). There are four shuttle routes that connect the various casinos with the train station, if that's what you're referring to. Those shuttles were operated by NJT (as the 506, 510-513; I don't remember the exact destinations) until around 1999-2000, when the AC Jitney Association took over the services. I think there is a regular jitney route that connects the Convention Center/Train Station with the bus terminal, but I don't know it off the top of my head. That said, it's only a less than a 10 minute walk between the two transit hubs, so I don't think that jitney route would be useful except late at night.



septa105R5	Jul 28 2009, 05:31 PM Post #15
Super Transit Expert from Wayne (Main Line) to King of Prussia Posts: 385 Group: Members Member #304 Joined: February 8, 2007	redarrow5591 Jul 27 2009, 10:11 PM septa105R5 Jul 27 2009, 08:59 PM There's also one more thing in the future too. Don't forget about the ALP-45DP that will be arriving in 2012 or so. It will be a great advantage for this line including using both diesel power in ACL line while using electric power (with the pantograph) in Northeast Corridor. The ALP45DP will be used predominately on direct Bay Head-NYC on the North Jersey Coast, direct High Bridge/Raritan EXP to NYC on the Raritan Valley and most MidTOWN Direct service, notably Hackettstown to NYC via Montclair State University/Summit. The only lines that isn't expected to see the 'DP's are the Atlantic City, Northeast Corridor, Pascack Valley, Main-Bergen, and the Southern Tier (Port Jervis). Let's hope that NJ Transit would send some PL42AC down to ACL line when some of the lines in Raritan and Midtown Direct would receive those ALP-45DP allowing them to begin replacing all of GP40 locomotive which has been running for more than 40 years by then.



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