Trolleys would link river rail to Center City

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Trolleys would link river rail to Center City
Topic Started: Aug 4 2009, 04:42 PM (362 Views)
Jayayess1190	Aug 4 2009, 04:42 PM Post #1
Foamer Posts: 1,087 Group: Members Member #42 Joined: September 2, 2005	Link Quote: A proposed PATCO rail line along the Delaware River waterfront likely would be linked to Center City by a new Market Street trolley line, PATCO general manager Robert Box said yesterday.The Market Street trolleys would be an eastward extension of SEPTA's existing subway-surface trolleys that run from near City Hall to West Philadelphia and beyond. The trolley or light rail line along Columbus Boulevard would run from Penn Treaty Park in Fishtown, near the planned Sugar House casino, south to the Pier 70 shopping complex in South Philadelphia. From there, it could eventually be extended to the Navy Yard. The Delaware River Port Authority, the parent of PATCO, has been studying for years how to extend transit service along the Philadelphia waterfront. In January 2008, the DRPA chose three alternatives to examine more thoroughly, including two that would connect to existing PATCO trains at the soon-to-reopen Franklin Square subway station at Seventh and Race streets. But Box said yesterday that the more likely scenario was a PATCO link at Eighth Street and Market to a new Market Street trolley line from the waterfront. "It would run on the surface [of Market Street] all the way to Broad," Box said. There, it would link with the subway-surface trolley. The new service, which would require federal financial help, is probably at least $1 billion and eight to 10 years away, PATCO officials have said. And it's unclear who would run the trolleys. PATCO might build the lines, and either SEPTA or PATCO could operate them."All that's up in the air. I don't think there are any turf issues there," Box said. The economic development of the waterfront on both sides of the Delaware River is part of the DRPA's mission. The port authority sees a PATCO expansion in Philadelphia as a way to improve access to the waterfront and increase employment, residential, entertainment and shopping opportunities.Rina Cutler, Philadelphia deputy mayor for transportation, said yesterday that "no final decision has been made" on a route to link a waterfront line to Center City. She said "a lot of discussion is going on . . . and we hope to have an announcement in three or four weeks." SEPTA spokesman Richard Maloney said "SEPTA is very interested in the subject" and considers it crucial that any waterfront service "does connect to the SEPTA system."He said the "engineering challenges and financial challenges" remain formidable.The transit expansion plans for Philadelphia are part of the DRPA's proposals for growth in Pennsylvania and New Jersey.In May, the DRPA and Gov. Corzine announced ambitious plans to restore commuter rail service from Glassboro to Camden, where passengers could connect to existing PATCO service to Philadelphia. Question: Where would the tunnel go to connect the subway-surface to these trolleys? Edited by Jayayess1190, Aug 4 2009, 04:45 PM.



Tritransit Area	Aug 4 2009, 08:41 PM Post #2
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,242 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	I'm sure they haven't figured it out yet...it looks like it will run on the surface of Market Street to City Hall....bad idea, try again!



Jayayess1190	Aug 9 2009, 12:09 PM Post #3
Foamer Posts: 1,087 Group: Members Member #42 Joined: September 2, 2005	Franklin Square options: Link Posted Image Edited by Jayayess1190, Aug 9 2009, 12:11 PM.



NeoArtic7101	Aug 14 2009, 05:40 PM Post #4
rest in peace to all AN440's that ran the Philadelphia area streets Posts: 542 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: February 24, 2005	Jayayess1190 Aug 9 2009, 12:09 PM Franklin Square options: Link Posted Image About time. I think it would be a great idea if they can extend the trolleys from Franklin Square to 13th/Juniper... possibly run them under Vine Street to 12th Street to the trolleys... but that would mean a lot of construction under City Hall... but I don't care it would be a great improvment and addition to transit in Philly.



Jayayess1190	Oct 26 2009, 06:38 PM Post #5
Foamer Posts: 1,087 Group: Members Member #42 Joined: September 2, 2005	Moving closer to reality Posted Image Edited by Jayayess1190, Oct 27 2009, 09:28 AM.



SouthernSeptaRida215	Oct 27 2009, 10:30 PM Post #6
Southern Depot PTV Co-Leader & Correspondent. Posts: 368 Group: Members Member #2,708 Joined: July 5, 2009	An excellent idea giving you a nice adventure down Delaware Ave., also this river rail would be operated by Septa??? Correct?



Jayayess1190	Oct 27 2009, 11:04 PM Post #7
Foamer Posts: 1,087 Group: Members Member #42 Joined: September 2, 2005	SouthernSeptaRida215 Oct 27 2009, 10:30 PM An excellent idea giving you a nice adventure down Delaware Ave., also this river rail would be operated by Septa??? Correct? Either Septa or the Port Authority, its not been decided yet. Edited by Jayayess1190, Oct 27 2009, 11:09 PM.



buswizard	Oct 28 2009, 07:20 AM Post #8
^^^ My sister needs a copy Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #2,659 Joined: September 22, 2008	Jayayess1190 Oct 27 2009, 11:04 PM SouthernSeptaRida215 Oct 27 2009, 10:30 PM An excellent idea giving you a nice adventure down Delaware Ave., also this river rail would be operated by Septa??? Correct? Either Septa or the Port Authority, its not been decided yet. I would simply LOVE to ride between the lanes on Delaware Avenue!! :D B) :P :$ :D ^_^ :D ;) :) ;) I always dreamed that there would/should be some passenger transit line running on those tracks for once. Edited by buswizard, Oct 28 2009, 07:21 AM.



Jayayess1190	Nov 8 2009, 09:08 PM Post #9
Foamer Posts: 1,087 Group: Members Member #42 Joined: September 2, 2005	Oops. :$ Edited by Jayayess1190, Nov 8 2009, 09:09 PM.



Bus Guy 8202	Nov 8 2009, 09:13 PM Post #10
The 113-119 Spotter Posts: 1,199 Group: Members Member #2,623 Joined: June 11, 2008	I saw somewhere that it would be a jointly ran line patco building and and septa running with a connection with the 15 and callowhill at the new cassino and an extention of the SSL to market.



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