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New Flyer Quarterly backlog.
Topic Started: Aug 6 2009, 12:08 PM (421 Views)
Nabi60SFW9620	Aug 6 2009, 12:08 PM Post #1
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	http://newflyer.com/index/07_21_2009_q2_orders_backlog_2 Heres the latest update on NFIs quarterly backlog. It looks like Atlanta is getting 101 New Flyer C40LFs. My suspicion the old style. Miami Dade with 19 DE60LFs. Maybe the restyled since the only companies who get old styled since the introduction of the LFR only get the old style so they dont have to invest in interchangable parts. Milwaukee is getting around 180 New Flyer Diesel powered buses. No telling if they are LF or LFR. Rochester is getting Articulated diesel buses. No telling which end caps. York ON with 45 D40LFs. Most likely the old style. Minneapolis with 29 D60LFRs. And Winnepeg. No telling which end caps they will have.



Tritransit Area	Aug 6 2009, 12:28 PM Post #2
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,243 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	WHAT?! Miami-Dade is getting NEW FLYERS?! And artics at that. They didn't replace those old American Ikarus artics before retiring them. Cool news.



Nabi60SFW9620	Aug 6 2009, 01:46 PM Post #3
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	I thought Miami would never again be getting new Articulated buses after the NABI 436s were retired. And I dont know if Miami is now working with New Flyer or if they are only ordering the tics from New Flyer so they dont have to get BRTs. Since many sources say NABI no longer makes the 60LFW.



Septa_kid	Aug 6 2009, 07:56 PM Post #4
flxie!!!! Posts: 2,040 Group: Members Member #2,467 Joined: March 31, 2008	Nabi60SFW9620 Aug 6 2009, 01:46 PM ...f they are only ordering the tics from New Flyer so they dont have to get BRTs. Since many sources say NABI no longer makes the 60LFW. Yea that happened after the whole CTA deal



Nabi60SFW9620	Aug 6 2009, 08:24 PM Post #5
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	Broward County Transit is currently working with NABI as their main source and got their latest Articulated buses from New Flyer.



ctrabs74	Aug 6 2009, 11:07 PM Post #6
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 710 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: February 20, 2005	Tritransit Area Aug 6 2009, 12:28 PM WHAT?! Miami-Dade is getting NEW FLYERS?! And artics at that. They didn't replace those old American Ikarus artics before retiring them. Cool news. That was my thinking too; I've always thought of Miami as a NABI stronghold... FWIW, the MBTA is in the process of ordering 25 DE60LFRs via an option off of the Albuquerque order. I wonder if Miami-Dade is working off of the same option. Also, I see that Rochester is going back to New Flyer after their recent orders as part of the New York State Gillig order (shared with Buffalo, Syracuse, and Albany).



Nabi60SFW9620	Aug 7 2009, 06:22 AM Post #7
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	MBTA ordering DE60LFRs? Isnt MBTA among those who purchase New Flyers with the old style end caps after the introduction of the LFR? I did read about MBTA getting 25 New Flyer hybrid Articulated buses but I was leaning more towards the DE60LF and not LFR.



ctrabs74	Aug 7 2009, 06:48 PM Post #8
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 710 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: February 20, 2005	Nabi60SFW9620 Aug 7 2009, 06:22 AM MBTA ordering DE60LFRs? Isnt MBTA among those who purchase New Flyers with the old style end caps after the introduction of the LFR? I did read about MBTA getting 25 New Flyer hybrid Articulated buses but I was leaning more towards the DE60LF and not LFR. On July 3, 2009, the MBTA Board of Directors approved a $26 million contract with New Flyer for 25 DE60LFR diesel hybrid articulated buses. These buses are expected to be delivered in summer 2010, and will be assigned to Southampton Garage. This will allow Southampton Garage to take over operation of a high-frequency route from Cabot garage. This in turn will allow for 25 New Flyer D40LF buses at Cabot to be transferred back to Charlestown and Lynn, and will allow for the remaining non-Midwest overhauled RTS buses to be retired. Midwest overhauled RTS buses are expected to remain in service to at least 2012. Federal stimulus money is being used to fund this order. The buses are an option to an order originally placed by Albuquerque NM. Source: NE Transit web site: All-Time MBTA Roster A batch of MBTA RTS buses were overhauled both by Midwest Bus and the MBTA's Everett Shops almost simultanously. Interesting how the Midwest Bus overhauled RTS buses are being kept around while the T's in-house overhauled RTS buses are being pulled from service. Take that for what it's worth. Midwest Bus is overhauling the 2003 NABI CNG buses, while Everett Shops are overhauling the 2004 NABIs. I don't understand why the T chooses to do things that way, but that's just me. Another interesting note: As noted above, the New Flyer artics are slated to go the Southampton Garage, which is an all-CNG depot. To answer your question about the D40LFs, it looks as though that particular order is complete, so that might explain why the T is opting for the LFR hyrbid artic as opposed to the old styling. IIRC, Seattle also had an order with a large option of New Flyer old-style DE60LF (this was the option that Chicago based its order off of); it's similar to the Albuquerque order, only the latter is for DE60LFR. Edited by ctrabs74, Aug 7 2009, 06:53 PM.



Nabi60SFW9620	Aug 7 2009, 08:45 PM Post #9
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	So either MBTA chose the LFR for the Articulated buses. Or New Flyer stopped production of the old style for newer contracts. I do hope New Flyer stopped the old style for newer contracts since to me it sucks when a TA gets the old style end caps after the introduction of the LFR. I have feeling Miami Dade is getting DE60LFRs as well. Since the only TAs I know of who get the old style now days are those who currently have at least 1/3 of their fleet as New Flyers built from 2005 and before and those TAs have the interchangable parts for the old style New Flyer and do not want to invest in interchangable parts for LFRs. So to save money on interchangable parts the TAs who have a large fleet of New Flyers on the existing Roster continue to purchase old style New Flyers from the years 2006 and after. Which is why SEPTAs 08-11 contract is the old style end caps. Same reason for CTAs 2006 and after contracts. Edited by Nabi60SFW9620, Aug 7 2009, 08:49 PM.



Septa_kid	Aug 8 2009, 05:16 AM Post #10
flxie!!!! Posts: 2,040 Group: Members Member #2,467 Joined: March 31, 2008	Nabi60SFW9620 Aug 7 2009, 08:45 PM I do hope New Flyer stopped the old style for newer contracts since to me it sucks when a TA gets the old style end caps after the introduction of the LFR. we think alike :D



Van2006ko	Aug 8 2009, 08:11 AM Post #11
Foamer Posts: 2,528 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: February 16, 2005	It would suck even more if all TAs got the new front and only the new front. We already have monopolization going on here with New Flyer winning many of the bids with other TAs. Imagine 5-10 years from now having nothing but New Style flyers roaming around and about and only new style flyers. It's either New Flyer or Gillig these days that are becoming the standard.



buswizard	Aug 8 2009, 09:24 AM Post #12
^^^ My sister needs a copy Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #2,659 Joined: September 22, 2008	Van2006ko Aug 8 2009, 08:11 AM It would suck even more if all TAs got the new front and only the new front. We already have monopolization going on here with New Flyer winning many of the bids with other TAs. Imagine 5-10 years from now having nothing but New Style flyers roaming around and about and only new style flyers. It's either New Flyer or Gillig these days that are becoming the standard. I miss the diversity of back in the day. Neoplan was cool.



Septa_kid	Aug 8 2009, 01:43 PM Post #13
flxie!!!! Posts: 2,040 Group: Members Member #2,467 Joined: March 31, 2008	buswizard Aug 8 2009, 09:24 AM I miss the diversity of back in the day. Neoplan was cool. was is the key word here, i always thought that Neoplan always made the same style buses from the 80s with the same quality, but i was wrong, their buses became worst and worst.... even our AN460s have some issues



Septa_kid	Aug 8 2009, 01:46 PM Post #14
flxie!!!! Posts: 2,040 Group: Members Member #2,467 Joined: March 31, 2008	Van2006ko Aug 8 2009, 08:11 AM It would suck even more if all TAs got the new front and only the new front. We already have monopolization going on here with New Flyer winning many of the bids with other TAs. Imagine 5-10 years from now having nothing but New Style flyers roaming around and about and only new style flyers. It's either New Flyer or Gillig these days that are becoming the standard. well... since they aren't flat i would adjust to it better than if they were flat. Besides, the restyles look better to me, remind me of NABIs :P



Van2006ko	Aug 8 2009, 06:52 PM Post #15
Foamer Posts: 2,528 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: February 16, 2005	Well I wouldn't want to have them on every single corner like the New Flyers. That's my whole point, in today's world companies are monopolizing and companies such as Flxible, Neoplan, NOVAUSA, many others fallen victim to the economy. If you are going to have one type of bus, mind as well make as many different modes, versions, varieties of it as possible.



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