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New Flyer Quarterly backlog.
Topic Started: Aug 6 2009, 12:08 PM (420 Views)
Nabi60SFW9620	Aug 8 2009, 09:26 PM Post #16
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	NABI and Orion discontinued their old style end caps as soon as they introduced the restyled end caps. So all NABI 416s and LFWs are standard in restyled designs. As well as the Orion VII. Novabus always had a futuristic look on the LFS but a couple years ago they redesigned the headlights on the LFS. At first there was rumor Baltimore would go to them but Im glad they stuck with New Flyer. The Novabus LFS I think is funky design. Id rather have either New Flyer, Orion or Gillig on the Baltimore fleet.



Nabi60SFW9620	Aug 19 2009, 07:22 AM Post #17
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	The exterior features on ABQ Rides New Flyer DE60LFRs appear to be alot similar to Baltimore MTAs. However ABQ Ride has 2 rear doors on Articulated buses and Baltimore only has 1. So I cant see how ABQ Ride piggybacked off of Baltimore. Now if only ABQ Ride did piggyback off of Baltimore MTA with their DE60LFRs the only differences would be the interior colors as well as maybe the tail lights. And even the shade of tint on the windows. Since ABQ Rides have the windows soo dark you can only see through the windows from inside and Baltimore ordered theirs with lighter tint to help reduce crime on the bus. And it looks like the New Flyer DE60LFR is not available with frameless windows since ABQ Ride got the 07 and 09 DE40LFRs with frameless windows and the 09 DE60LFRs without frameless windows. I was hoping Baltimores DE40LFRs would have frameless but it didnt happen.



Nabi60SFW9620	Nov 4 2009, 10:42 AM Post #18
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	I do suspect more likely Miamis New Flyer hybrid Articulateds more likely will be DE60LFR. I hope not DE62LFA. And I seriously doubt it will be the DE60LF. Since even with the old style still manufactured I believe the main TAs who continue to purchase the old style are those who already have a existing fleet of New Flyers before the introduction of the LFR and just get the old style so they dont have to invest in replacement parts for LFRs or retrain the maintenance staff on the LFR. I know thats why CTA and SEPTA get the old style and most likely thats why Atlanta, Boston, as well as Seattle get the old style as well. Cleveland RTA got some New Flyer Diesel Articulated buses and they are the LFR. Plus RTA didnt purchase New Flyers before the introduction of the LFR. And neither did Miami. So I suspect Miamis new tics are DE60LFRs.



Nabi60SFW9620	Nov 5 2009, 02:39 PM Post #19
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	My guess with MARTAs 101 C40LFs. They will more likely be the old style end caps. MARTA got their 2006 New Flyer C40LFs in late 06 with the old style. So my feeling is. The next 101 C40LFs will also be old style end caps.



NeoArtic7101	Nov 5 2009, 06:03 PM Post #20
rest in peace to all AN440's that ran the Philadelphia area streets Posts: 545 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: February 24, 2005	Nabi60SFW9620 Aug 19 2009, 07:22 AM The exterior features on ABQ Rides New Flyer DE60LFRs appear to be alot similar to Baltimore MTAs. However ABQ Ride has 2 rear doors on Articulated buses and Baltimore only has 1. So I cant see how ABQ Ride piggybacked off of Baltimore. Now if only ABQ Ride did piggyback off of Baltimore MTA with their DE60LFRs the only differences would be the interior colors as well as maybe the tail lights. And even the shade of tint on the windows. Since ABQ Rides have the windows soo dark you can only see through the windows from inside and Baltimore ordered theirs with lighter tint to help reduce crime on the bus. And it looks like the New Flyer DE60LFR is not available with frameless windows since ABQ Ride got the 07 and 09 DE40LFRs with frameless windows and the 09 DE60LFRs without frameless windows. I was hoping Baltimores DE40LFRs would have frameless but it didnt happen. You can piggyback off of someone's order and also have manufacturers build to your own specifications. I.E. the Penndot order. SEPTA's Neoplans were way different than the other TA's in the state of Pennsylvania. Also Nashville MTA piggybacked off of SEPTA's order of the AN460.



NeoArtic7101	Nov 5 2009, 06:04 PM Post #21
rest in peace to all AN440's that ran the Philadelphia area streets Posts: 545 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: February 24, 2005	Nabi60SFW9620 Aug 8 2009, 09:26 PM NABI and Orion discontinued their old style end caps as soon as they introduced the restyled end caps. So all NABI 416s and LFWs are standard in restyled designs. As well as the Orion VII. Novabus always had a futuristic look on the LFS but a couple years ago they redesigned the headlights on the LFS. At first there was rumor Baltimore would go to them but Im glad they stuck with New Flyer. The Novabus LFS I think is funky design. Id rather have either New Flyer, Orion or Gillig on the Baltimore fleet. Novabus also redesigned the rear of the bus with standard rear engines. Doesn't that bus look familiar... something like a Volvo at the rear roof of the bus?



NeoArtic7101	Nov 5 2009, 06:08 PM Post #22
rest in peace to all AN440's that ran the Philadelphia area streets Posts: 545 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: February 24, 2005	Nabi60SFW9620 Aug 8 2009, 09:26 PM NABI and Orion discontinued their old style end caps as soon as they introduced the restyled end caps. So all NABI 416s and LFWs are standard in restyled designs. As well as the Orion VII. Novabus always had a futuristic look on the LFS but a couple years ago they redesigned the headlights on the LFS. At first there was rumor Baltimore would go to them but Im glad they stuck with New Flyer. The Novabus LFS I think is funky design. Id rather have either New Flyer, Orion or Gillig on the Baltimore fleet.



buswizard	Nov 6 2009, 08:53 AM Post #23
^^^ My sister needs a copy Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #2,659 Joined: September 22, 2008	Nabi60SFW9620 Nov 5 2009, 02:39 PM My guess with MARTAs 101 C40LFs. They will more likely be the old style end caps. MARTA got their 2006 New Flyer C40LFs in late 06 with the old style. So my feeling is. The next 101 C40LFs will also be old style end caps. They're getting new ones??? Yeah I am sure they will be old style BUT if new styles exist for the C40LF, then I think that is what they should get.



Nabi60SFW9620	Nov 6 2009, 09:32 AM Post #24
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	New Flyer does make C40LFRs as WMATA has 25 of them. And I dont know how many Pheonix has. MARTA I believe is among the TAs who get the old style so they dont have to invest in replacement end cap parts for restyleds or train the maintenance with the restyled. Thats definetely CTA and SEPTAs reason. And most likely Boston, Seattle, as well as London Ontario and York Ontarios reason. First time buyers as well as TAs who want to see change in the design and are willing to get replacement parts for LFRs and retrain their maintenance on LFRs get the LFR. Baltimore. They prefer to see a change in the design and are willing to train maintenance on the LFRs as well as invest in replacement parts for LFRs. They like the LFR so much even if they piggyback off of an LF order they get theirs in the LFR. They even had the 10 hybrid demos on hold until they were available in the LFR to get them in LFR. And the DE60LFRs. They were piggybacked off of DE60LFs.



Nabi60SFW9620	Nov 6 2009, 03:40 PM Post #25
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	buswizard Nov 6 2009, 08:53 AM Nabi60SFW9620 Nov 5 2009, 02:39 PM My guess with MARTAs 101 C40LFs. They will more likely be the old style end caps. MARTA got their 2006 New Flyer C40LFs in late 06 with the old style. So my feeling is. The next 101 C40LFs will also be old style end caps. They're getting new ones??? Yeah I am sure they will be old style BUT if new styles exist for the C40LF, then I think that is what they should get. According to New Flyers quarterly backlog yes. And most likely the C40LF and not LFR. Since MARTA got the 06 C40LFs in the old style chances are so will the 09 C40LFs. I feel I should email New Flyer and ask if MARTAs 101 new buses are the C40LF or C40LFR. I basically think the TAs who continue to get old style New Flyers are the ones who worked with New Flyer before the LFR was available who prefer not to invest in replacement parts or retrain the staff with LFRs. Boston only had 1 small order of C40LFs before the LFR was invented and they are still getting the LF. Chicago, Seattle, London ON, York ON, and even Philadelphia had a few hundred New Flyer LFs before the LFR was invented and they continue to get the LF after the LFR was invented. Edmonton was working with New Flyer since the early 90s and they started getting LFRs in 2007. So Edmonton was willing to retrain maintenance on LFRs and invest in LFR replacement parts. As well as all of the other TAs who purchased New Flyers before the introduction of the LFR and started purchasing the LFR after it was invented. Like WMATA. Mississauga Transit. And it appears Oakville Transit is one of them. And there are others. Edited by Nabi60SFW9620, Nov 6 2009, 03:49 PM.



NeoArtic7101	Nov 6 2009, 06:31 PM Post #26
rest in peace to all AN440's that ran the Philadelphia area streets Posts: 545 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: February 24, 2005	Nabi60SFW9620 Nov 6 2009, 03:40 PM buswizard Nov 6 2009, 08:53 AM Nabi60SFW9620 Nov 5 2009, 02:39 PM My guess with MARTAs 101 C40LFs. They will more likely be the old style end caps. MARTA got their 2006 New Flyer C40LFs in late 06 with the old style. So my feeling is. The next 101 C40LFs will also be old style end caps. They're getting new ones??? Yeah I am sure they will be old style BUT if new styles exist for the C40LF, then I think that is what they should get. According to New Flyers quarterly backlog yes. And most likely the C40LF and not LFR. Since MARTA got the 06 C40LFs in the old style chances are so will the 09 C40LFs. I feel I should email New Flyer and ask if MARTAs 101 new buses are the C40LF or C40LFR. I basically think the TAs who continue to get old style New Flyers are the ones who worked with New Flyer before the LFR was available who prefer not to invest in replacement parts or retrain the staff with LFRs. Boston only had 1 small order of C40LFs before the LFR was invented and they are still getting the LF. Chicago, Seattle, London ON, York ON, and even Philadelphia had a few hundred New Flyer LFs before the LFR was invented and they continue to get the LF after the LFR was invented. Edmonton was working with New Flyer since the early 90s and they started getting LFRs in 2007. So Edmonton was willing to retrain maintenance on LFRs and invest in LFR replacement parts. As well as all of the other TAs who purchased New Flyers before the introduction of the LFR and started purchasing the LFR after it was invented. Like WMATA. Mississauga Transit. And it appears Oakville Transit is one of them. And there are others. Be carefule emailing manufacturers like that asking information about a transit authority's choice of buses, they probably will not give you that info i.e. 9/11...



Nabi60SFW9620	Nov 8 2009, 07:55 PM Post #27
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	New Flyer gave me info when I asked about whether or not Transit Windsor made their own specs for the rooftop HVAC on the DE40LFR or if that piggybacked off of SEPTA. And they responded back that Transit Windsor made their own specs for the rooftop HVAC. And if I do ask New Flyer about MARTAs next order my way of asking is will they be the C40LF or the C40LFR. Showing that I have knowledge with New Flyers products. Someone did email SEPTA and New Flyer about the end caps on SEPTAs 08-11 orders and both responses is they were going to be the old style. New Flyer didnt respond to my question about whether or not the high profile roofcaps are still manufactured on hybrids or if all hybrids are standard in the low profile roofcaps.



Septa_kid	Nov 9 2009, 01:09 PM Post #28
flxie!!!! Posts: 2,040 Group: Members Member #2,467 Joined: March 31, 2008	NeoArtic7101 Nov 5 2009, 06:04 PM Nabi60SFW9620 Aug 8 2009, 09:26 PM NABI and Orion discontinued their old style end caps as soon as they introduced the restyled end caps. So all NABI 416s and LFWs are standard in restyled designs. As well as the Orion VII. Novabus always had a futuristic look on the LFS but a couple years ago they redesigned the headlights on the LFS. At first there was rumor Baltimore would go to them but Im glad they stuck with New Flyer. The Novabus LFS I think is funky design. Id rather have either New Flyer, Orion or Gillig on the Baltimore fleet. Novabus also redesigned the rear of the bus with standard rear engines. Doesn't that bus look familiar... something like a Volvo at the rear roof of the bus? Volvo = NovaBus, and Prevost....... all the same people



ctrabs74	Nov 19 2009, 11:34 PM Post #29
Advanced Transit Fan Posts: 710 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: February 20, 2005	Nabi60SFW9620 Nov 6 2009, 09:32 AM New Flyer does make C40LFRs as WMATA has 25 of them. And I dont know how many Pheonix has. Yes, both WMATA and Phoenix recieved re-styled New Flyers. WMATA's 164 C40LFs were built in 2001-2002. They recieved their first restyled New Flyers (DE40LF) in 2004 (the 6040-6050 series hybrids); the 6001-6039 hyrbids were D40LFs. Of course, WMATA also has bought buses from Orion and NABI as well during the time they got the New Flyers; it's one heck of a system to try to keep up with. I don't know about the age of Phoenix's New Flyers, but their recent orders are also restyled and the BRT-styled artics similar to WMATA's DE42LFAs (not sure if they're CNG or hybrid). Edited by ctrabs74, Nov 19 2009, 11:48 PM.



Nabi60SFW9620	Nov 20 2009, 07:16 AM Post #30
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	WMATAs 6001-6050 are the 2006 model. 6001-6039 are DE40LFs and 6040-6050 are DE40LFRs. The Diesel New Flyers are 6101-6217 and they are D40LFRs. Then the C40LFRs in 07. I wonder how WMATA passengers felt when noticing WMATA is no longer getting sliding windows on buses. I know Baltimore MTAs passengers were not thrilled. But hopefully WMATA didnt run buses with malfunctioned ACs on hot summer days like Baltimore MTA has been doing. Which was everyones main objection to the tip in windows. I did think the circulation was perfect year round but turns out on hot humid days the circulation isnt all that good. And spring/fall days its perfect. But with the poor circulation on hot humid days with tip in windows MTA requires drivers to report if the HVAC fails on any 08000 and 09000 coach so they can get a replacement. 8027 had to be switched when the fan belt to the AC compressor broke causing the AC to crap out. It wouldnt surprise me if a Neoplan was the replacement.



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