All New Engines mainly produced by Cummins beginning 2010

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All New Engines mainly produced by Cummins beginning 2010
Topic Started: Sep 27 2009, 11:29 AM (249 Views)
septa105R5	Sep 27 2009, 11:29 AM Post #1
Super Transit Expert from Wayne (Main Line) to King of Prussia Posts: 384 Group: Members Member #304 Joined: February 8, 2007	With the next year's emission going in action, engine models that do not meet next year's emission standards are phased out. These includes Detroit Diesel Series 60, Cat C9 Engine, and Cummins ISM. That means all engines for new commercial vehicles are solely provided by Cummins. Cummins ISL9 and ISB6.7 are among the engines offered for 30-60 foot buses. Cummins ISM will be replaced by Cummins ISX 11.9 engine which has the horsepower between 310-425 hp which power 45 ft buses (NABI Metro 45C), 60 ft buses, and all motor coaches. Detroit Diesel engines are no longer available for trucks/buses outside of Daimler Brand products beginning 2010 when the emission standards goes in action. CAT engines will withdrawn from on highway engine also too. Edited by septa105R5, Sep 27 2009, 11:32 AM.



Nabi60SFW9620	Sep 28 2009, 08:17 AM Post #2
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	I dont think Prevost will offer Cummins engines. After the Series 60 is discontinued they will only be available with Volvo D13. And many Tractor trailer models will also only be available with Cummins engines. Since they also are equipped with either Cummins, Caterpillar, or Detroit Diesel engines. Its almost like 30 years ago when the only engines available for buses were Detroit Diesel. Then Cummins came along. And Caterpillar. But soon it will only be Cummins. Edited by Nabi60SFW9620, Sep 28 2009, 02:49 PM.



NeoArtic7101	Oct 12 2009, 09:39 AM Post #3
rest in peace to all AN440's that ran the Philadelphia area streets Posts: 544 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: February 24, 2005	Nabi60SFW9620 Sep 28 2009, 08:17 AM I dont think Prevost will offer Cummins engines. After the Series 60 is discontinued they will only be available with Volvo D13. And many Tractor trailer models will also only be available with Cummins engines. Since they also are equipped with either Cummins, Caterpillar, or Detroit Diesel engines. Its almost like 30 years ago when the only engines available for buses were Detroit Diesel. Then Cummins came along. And Caterpillar. But soon it will only be Cummins. Wow.... and to make a correction... the Cummins L10 was the only answer to the Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engine. Now if the only transit engines will be the Cummins ISB, ISL, ISX, ISB-G and ISL-G, that will be borderline monopoly and that sounds like some of these other engine manufacturers can enter into the competition. Plus a country with only Cummins engines available? That would be too boring. All the bus sounds online would sound the same.



Mr. Transit	Oct 12 2009, 04:35 PM Post #4
Transit Fan Posts: 107 Group: Members Member #2,280 Joined: February 16, 2008	I heard from my transit bus manufacturing contact, that Cummins has raised the price of their engines by $20.000...also no foreseeable competition on the horizon.



Jonesy	Oct 14 2009, 03:32 PM Post #5
Pittsburgh Bus Junkie Posts: 126 Group: Members Member #74 Joined: February 22, 2006	so what is it R.I.P to Detroit Diesel? man that blows...



NeoArtic7101	Oct 14 2009, 04:43 PM Post #6
rest in peace to all AN440's that ran the Philadelphia area streets Posts: 544 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: February 24, 2005	Mr. Transit Oct 12 2009, 04:35 PM I heard from my transit bus manufacturing contact, that Cummins has raised the price of their engines by $20.000...also no foreseeable competition on the horizon. So, you really don't think Ford or maybe even Volvo (a division of Ford) won't enter the competition?



Tritransit Area	Oct 15 2009, 07:30 AM Post #7
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,242 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	NeoArtic7101 Oct 14 2009, 04:43 PM Mr. Transit Oct 12 2009, 04:35 PM I heard from my transit bus manufacturing contact, that Cummins has raised the price of their engines by $20.000...also no foreseeable competition on the horizon. So, you really don't think Ford or maybe even Volvo (a division of Ford) won't enter the competition? I dunno. Remember that way back when, Volvo and MAN made buses for the US with their own engines, and they weren't very popular as a result. US agencies loved their Detroit Diesel. The problem is that the EPA got so involved that the emissions standards on engines is just about ridiculous. Plus, the standards get more strict as time goes on, but you can't sacrifice the engine's performance either. That's why Caterpillar fell by the wayside. Add that into low bid competition, and it's just too much of a headache. It's a shame, really...



Nabi60SFW9620	Oct 15 2009, 10:46 AM Post #8
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	It wont be a permanent thing for all buses to only be available in Cummins engines. At some point either other truck manufacturers will make engines for buses outside the model. Or new engine manufacturers may be out. Because the 60s and the 70s engines for transit/charter buses were only made by Detroit Diesel. Cummins came along in the 80s with bus engines. And Caterpillar for Charter engines in the late 90s and then transit buses. And once Detroit Diesel discontinues the Series 60. And CAT ceases production of highway engines buses maybe most tractor trailers will only be available with Cummins engines. I hope the ISX 11.9 sounds more like the Series 60 then the ISM.



Tritransit Area	Oct 16 2009, 10:33 AM Post #9
Transit Enthusiast Posts: 2,242 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: February 17, 2005	Caterpillar certainly was available in the 80s. While their "bus engines" were predominantly used in school buses/trucks, there were transit buses built with this engine. Ride-On of Montgomery County had this engine with their 1981 TMC Citycruiser T-30s (before repower) and their 1989 Gillig Phantoms.



Nabi60SFW9620	Oct 16 2009, 11:15 AM Post #10
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	Rabbit Transits 1990 Orion Is had Cummins L10. And during that time 90% of TAs in the nation have been using Detroit Diesel 6V92 on buses. And Baltimore tested the L10 on 10 of their 1987 Flxible Metro Bs as the rest of the Metro Bs had 6V92. I dont know about the MCI MC9 but I know the A Series Maybe the B and C Series were available with Cummins L10. DDC 6V92 and 8V92. The MC9. It was standard in 8V71 in the late 70s. Then the early 80s it was available in 8V71 or 6V92 but once the 8V71 was discontinued I believe it was only available in 6V92. I dont know of an MC9 with 8V92. The Prevost Lemirage I know came with 8V92. Dont know about 6V92. But now days coaches are available with Cummins ISM. CAT C13. Or Detroit Diesel Series 60. And once they are only available with Cummins that means transit buses will be standard with ISL. And motorcoaches with ISX 11.9. I hope the ISX 11.9 doesnt sound anything like the ISM. I hope it sounds more like a Series 60. Edited by Nabi60SFW9620, Oct 16 2009, 11:15 AM.



Nabi60SFW9620	Oct 22 2009, 01:32 PM Post #11
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	The ISX 11.9. I dont think it will be available for Articulated transit buses. But I know it will be the main motorcoach engine. If Neoplan were still around which unfortunetely they are not the ISX 11.9 would be available on AN460s. Just like how the Series 60 was available on AN460s.



Nabi60SFW9620	Oct 23 2009, 01:20 PM Post #12
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	I wonder how the Jacobs engine brakes will sounds on the ISX 11.9. Hopefully as good as on the Series 60. And not like the 2003 Baltimore County Fire engines. That sound is horrible. The jake brakes on a motorcoach sound perfect. I dont know how they sound on the C13 but the Series 60 they sound great.



septa105R5	Oct 24 2009, 09:19 AM Post #13
Super Transit Expert from Wayne (Main Line) to King of Prussia Posts: 384 Group: Members Member #304 Joined: February 8, 2007	Nabi60SFW9620 Oct 22 2009, 01:32 PM The ISX 11.9. I dont think it will be available for Articulated transit buses. But I know it will be the main motorcoach engine. If Neoplan were still around which unfortunetely they are not the ISX 11.9 would be available on AN460s. Just like how the Series 60 was available on AN460s. Then leaves only Cummins ISL9 for powering all transit buses unless if Cummins come out with a 330 hp version of the Cummins ISX 11.9.



Nabi60SFW9620	Oct 26 2009, 11:25 AM Post #14
Foamer Posts: 2,129 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: February 21, 2005	If NABI or New Flyer wants to offer the ISX 11.9 on Articulated buses they will do so but if not then the only engine available will be the ISL. Plus many TAs are deciding to purchase hybrid buses for future orders for efficiency purposes. So I doubt we will se an ISX 11.9 on an Articulated bus. A motorcoach. Definetely. I wish they would make an engine in the 12 liter mark since the ISX 11.9 is smaller then both the C13 and the Series 60.



Septa_kid	Nov 3 2009, 01:18 PM Post #15
flxie!!!! Posts: 2,040 Group: Members Member #2,467 Joined: March 31, 2008	I'm okay with it, i think the ISL in the NABIs/SEPTA Hybrids sound nice (believe it or not it's the same one) i wish that they could make them a little faster though...



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